Trump and Brexit Part Two


I recently wrote a political post comparing Trump, Brext and Islamic Terrorism which received some praise but also a lot of criticism. In fairness most of the criticism was respectful and well argued. Some reasonable points were made and scored. However, I still hold to the views I expressed and I think most of my critics are missing the point or are perhaps blind to the points I was attempting to make. Now that Trump has actually been elected which unquestioningly heralds some kind of new era in politics, I want to explain my views in a bit more detail and perhaps argue the points I was originally trying to make from a better perspective. I should add that I am doing this entirely for my own benefit in order to understand and express what I think is going on in the world. I welcome discussion but I don’t really give a fuck if other people disagree with my views.

I have three headings in mind. My Satanic perspective, the indisputable similarities between Brexit and Trump, and finally what it all means and implies.

My Satanic Perspective.

Some people who have landed here after following the political tags may be surprised to find themselves reading a blog which is primarily about Satanism. Do please stay a while and make yourself at home; you may be a bit surprised. And don’t worry, this is not the hotel California, you can leave immediately if you feel uncomfortable!

It has been said that I am a very left wing Satanist and some find it surprising that the views associated with the left can be compatable with Satanic principles at all. In fact there are quite a lot of us left wing Satanists in existence. To over-simplify (because this is not intended to be the main theme of this post) I believe in strong and supportive communities and societies which are very liberal in terms of equal rights for women, men, minorities of all sorts and all parts of the LGBT community because that actually improves the quality of my life and the opportunities I have to live as fully and freely as I want. I am a libertarian but interestingly this position is often seen as rather right wing in America whereas in Europe it is more often associated with the left. I am however not left wing in all things. I am very strong on personal responsibility which can be seen as a right wing concept. I am definitely to the right on matters of crime and punishment, I believe in taking vengeance where necessary and while I think guns should be more strictly controlled (particularly in America) my family and I are all now gun owners and we believe that until society has changed significantly we should have the right to own, carry and use weapons when necessary for personal protection. So yes, I am left wing, but not in all ways.

No two people will ever have exactly the same political views but my family and I are broadly in line with those who are internationalists rather than nationalists. We support parties and policies which promote acceptance of difference, which promote tolerance and to some degree multi-culturalism (although we disagree with the views of many if not all organised religions). We believe in cooperation rather than conflict wherever possible and we think that Europe and the EU for all its many faults and failings is a good example of how different nations working together can maintain their peace and security without loosing their regional and national identities.. Logically therefore we are antagonistic towards people, parties and policies which oppose the things I have just listed.

The indisputable similarities between Brexit and Trump.

There are many things about the Brexit campaign for Britain to leave the European Union and Donald Trump’s campaign to become president that can be disputed. I want to concentrate however on the things which are really not in dispute because of their implications for what happens next in societies which have changed and are deeply divided.

Both the Brexit and Trump campaigns succeeded in identifying a section of society who felt alienated and dispossessed by society as a whole and by the political elite in particular. In both cases this section of society was mainly comprised of an older, poorer and less well educated demographic; people who had not fared well under any political party for a long time.

In order to communicate with the less well educated and politically dispossessed classes, both Brexit and Trump campaigners threw the normal complicated and highly intellectualised language of politics and diplomacy out of the window in favour of very simplified and direct messages. Hanging innuendos were replaced by in your face insults and accusations.

Both campaigns decided to avoid any type of complexity. No problem was caused by lots of complicated factors, instead the focus of the blame was laid on particular individuals and groups of people. EVERYTHING that was bad in the UK was the fault of Europe pure and simple. Everything that was bad in America was the fault of The Clinton Dynasty, the black, immigrant, possibly not American, Obama and Mexicans.

Both Brexit and Trump were supported by elements of the press and media who recognised the demographic which had been identified as being the bulk of their own readership and viewers. Canny newspaper mogals recognised an opportunity to make money by stoking the flames.

To simplify the perceived problem even further the ultimate solution that was put forward by each campaign was simple and stark… Vote Leave and all your problems will be solved. Vote Trump and all your problems will be solved. No other way of voting will get what you need.

Other factors in both of these campaigns that are hard to dispute are that bare faced lies were spoken as truths, fears about immigration were highlighted, and xenophobia was exploited. Trump and the Brexit leaders were not typical politicians but media celebrities, regarded as outsiders and critics of “the system”. Trump in particular and some of the Brexit leaders were the antithesis of political correctness, making comments about race, immigration, gender (women especially) and sexuality which the middle classes and the so called political elite had ruled out of bounds decades ago. They deeply offended and frightened many people but those were people who were never likely to vote for them in the first place.

Finally within hours of claiming victory both campaigns did spectacular U-turns on some of their key policies. The Brexit campaign had promised to divert money from the EU (£350 million) to shore up the health service. Literally within hours they said this was not the case and that their advertisements claiming this had been misinterpreted. Donald Trump spent much of his campaign slating “Obama Care” and he stated repeatedly that he would repeal it completely. One of his first policy statements since becoming President Elect, is that he will in fact keep significant parts of Obama Care in tact.

It is therefore my contention that Trump and the Brexiteers successfully fooled that section of the electorate they had identified as being vulnerable to manipulation.

One more thing that cannot be disputed even if you disagree with everything else I have said is that the results of the EU referendum and the American Presidential election have left Britain and America bitterly and perhaps terminally divided. In both cases the final vote resulted in a virtual 50/50 split with one side claiming victory by a tiny margin. What is different between these results and the results of any comparable votes in Britain or America is that there is absolutely no room for compromise. For myself I can say that I voted to Remain in the EU and I think that leaving the EU will utterly destroy Britain and do significant harm to millions of people. I will NEVER change my opinion on this or compromise one millimetre. I am already a member of several groups and communities that are determined to stop Brexit happening. I do not and will never accept the result. However, I do understand that people on the other side of the argument feel equally as passionate as me. In America there are people who love Trump and there are people who hate and detest him and everything he stands for. There is no compromise between these two views. There are already significant protests about the Trump victory and #NotMyPresident is already viral.

In all election results in Britain and America in recent history there has been a respect for democracy itself which has pressured both the politicians and the voters to come together after an election, find some common ground and make the best of things until the next election. This time however that respect for the democratic process, that acceptance of the result, is missing completely. There can be no coming together of the two sides. This maybe because the election campaigns were carried out at such a base and debased level. But whatever the reason, the fact that thinkers and policy makers need to consider very soberly is that in both Britain and America half the population do not and will never lie down and accept the result. It is perhaps the biggest challenge and danger that our democracies have ever faced.

In conclusion I am aware that some of the people who voted for Brexit or for Trump don’t fit into the demographic I have described above (or don’t think they do). For them I would like to offer a little analogy which begins with the principle that the Brexit and Trump campaigns were both entirely correct in identifying a section of society who felt there was something rotten in society…

Imagine you have a pain in your leg which gets worse and worse. Eventually you go to a doctor. The doctor looks grim and diagnoses cancer. You are told the only solution is amputation. You take his advice and your leg is amputated…

Some months later you begin to get pain in your other leg. Reluctantly you go to the doctor, but this time you see a different doctor. This one tells you the pain in your leg is nothing more than a muscle cramp and that probably was the cause of the pain in your amputated leg as well. Moreover he tells you that even if you had had cancer in your other leg, amputation was not the only option…

Brexit and Trump diagnosed a problem in society and told people there was only one cure. Was their diagnosis correct? Are you sure? And was the cure they offered the only sensible option?

Your leg and your life deserve a second opinion.



11 Comments on “Trump and Brexit Part Two”

  1. cpmandara says:

    It’s certainly going to be an interesting period in history…

  2. Aleph says:

    Well at least you don’t seem to be comparing Brexit and Trump to ISIS.

    To be honest, if I were you, I would keep an eye out on the rest of Europe. Iceland has already voted in a Eurosceptic party last month, and Macedonia and Romania have elections coming next month. Austria is also having another round in its general election next month, and it looks like the anti-establishment populist right are growing there. And then there’s next year. The Netherlands will have a general election in March, France in April, Germany in September and Luxembourg and the Czech Republic have them in October. Depending who wins those elections, I think more EU referendums are possible within the next couple of years. Then there’s Serbia. While Serbia is not an EU member, it is seeking EU membership. Serbia will have their next election in May. And since I happen to know that the EU doesn’t like it when the populist right gets into power, it’ll be interesting to see how this affects the possibility of Serbia’s accession into the EU.

    If you don’t like what’s happening and you want to change the fact that the populist right is rising, then my advice is that you must take a lesson from Brexit and Trump – whatever you think of either. They won because the establishment didn’t care about the ordinary people, who in turn lost faith in the system – something you yourself pointed out. Therefore, if you want to do your part to change that then to try to engage with the concerns of people whenever you have the opportunity to do so – though preferably without violating that Satanic tenet of “don’t give advice unless asked” – with honesty and openness. You’re left-wing, so I think it’s worth you challenging the left in order to make it aware of the problems it’s going through – the lack of foresight, the identity politics, the overbearing illiberality and moral authoritarianism that has become fashionable in modern progressivism (one need only look at the rise of the “social justice” movement and how the establishment has been quietly embracing some of its ideas), etc.

    That’s my advice. I hope you take it into consideration

      • Aleph says:

        I don’t know if this is a refutation or not, but it’s literally just Farage with Trump in a lift in Trump’s building smiling. That’s it. Indy100 clickbait articles (which is really all they are, I’ve seen them) won’t impress me very much if it is a refutation. This article strikes me as writing click-bait designed to suit their audience. At any rate, the photo itself just strikes me as Farage and Trump saying “haha, we stumped you guys and we’re going to celebrate in a beautiful building”.

        At any rate, two politicians riding in a gold lift, presumably for a photoshoot or to celebrate a political victory, doesn’t change the political reality of the US and Europe, nor does it change the fact that Trump decided to run against all the other wealthy interests out there, and certainly won’t change the fact that the other side lost. You don’t have to be a huge fan of either of them in order to see that. If they were really a part of the establishment, we’d know that the establishment wouldn’t be deliberately acting against them in concerted efforts such as state-funded propaganda (the leaflets the government sent using taxpayer money) and, in America’s case, an actual conspiracy to get Hillary into office in concert with the media and the DNC, which you must understand is public knowledge at this point.

        At any rate, I will be disappointed if this is the reason you decide to reject my advice.

      • Cassie Sophie Tina says:

        Aleph, actually I never asked for your “advice”. I have shown respect by reading what you have to say and watching the video you inserted. I have a different point of view to you and don’t find your arguments convincing enough to change my mind; and I think that is probably where we will have to leave this discussion. I sent a photo of Trump and Farage in a golden lift because I think it makes the point that these people have nothing in common with the section of society they claim to champion. I work ten hour days and seldom have the time to sit in front of the computer and compose well crafted posts or rebuttals and when I do have the time I would prefer to write according to my own views and my own agenda rather than be swept up in yours. So I will willingly enter into debate as and when I have the time and inclination, but as for advice;- you can keep it to yourself.

      • Aleph says:

        And since you sent me a link, I think you might find this link pretty useful. It’s a video from a guy called Styxhexenhammer666, which he intended that his viewers share to friends who are either pro-Clinton or just-Trump. I doubt you’re really pro-Clinton, just anti-Trump, but I still send it to you in the hopes that it will be useful.

      • Cassie Sophie Tina says:

        He makes a few good points and argues his case well but he is no sage, no expert and he clearly has a bias and agenda of his own (as we all do). Ultimately for me, not at all convincing except in so far as noting that all sides have a few pros and cons and nothing is simple; which I obviously knew already.

  3. Well said! I’m also a leftist libertarian, which isn’t common here in North America. Most of the libertarians are right wing… There are pretty much no political parties that support this viewpoint, but I’m used to that.

  4. satanicviews says:

    Globalism is one of the key issues at the heart of the success of Brexit and Trump. Personally I am a supporter of localism and I oppose anything related to globalism. I supported Brexit, I have ambivalent feelings about Trump. All I can observe is that the world is now changing, people outside of the intellectual elite are thinking in terms of their local community and nation, feeling that globalism is destroying their sense of who and what they are, then they vote accordingly.

  5. G. B. Marian says:

    Reblogged this on In The Desert Of Seth and commented:
    Boosting the signal.

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