Victims, Heroes and the Satanic Mindset.


This post is largely a response to a post made in Satanic Views which we shall repost immediately ahead of this and encourage people to read. As ever Satanic Views gave us pause for thought. In essence we agree fully with everything that is said in that post and to a large degree it describes our outlook quite well. However we feel it leaves some things unsaid; perhaps deliberately, but we feel the need to say them in order to give a more complete picture of the Satanic Mindset. Satanic Views is written mostly for other Satanists whereas our blog is aimed more at open minded people who may not be Satanists. Thus there is a difference of perspective and perhaps more need to explain things that other Satanists would take as read.

The picture at the top of this post is a still from one of our favourite films “The Crow; City of Angels”. It shows Sarah, a tattoo artist, daughter of a drug addict, more good than bad but hardened by growing up in a very violent world, who guides the undead hero back to the world to embark on a spree of extreme vengeance. Eventually she becomes a prisoner, is tortured and is killed trying to help the “hero”. Is she a victim or a hero? Is she a saint or a sinner? The simple answer is she is all of those things and none. Her morality is ambiguous and subjective. But “we” identify with her and we think the way she is represented in that particular dark fairy tale world resonates with our Satanic mindset and morality.

The thing we think is missing from The Satanic Views article is the emotional angle. It all seemed rather logical and vulcanic (a la Mr Spock) but seemed a little inhuman. It could give the impression that Satanists are cold, calculating and extremely dispassionate. We can indeed be all of those things when need be, but as human animals we can also be very passionate and emotional. As mothers, for example, we are very passionate about protecting our kids and raising them to enjoy life as fully and as freely as possible. As women and men of any sexual orientation we fall in love as fully and deeply as anyone else does and that often blows cold, hard logic out of the window.

There were a couple of examples in the Satanic Views article that we would like to add our perspective to. The first example was about rescuing a bird from a cat. Was this an heroic act? No, S.V. argues, it was a self centred action aimed at avoiding mess and preserving the peace in that particular satanic household. It was not altruistic, it was not championing the weak against the strong. It was not heroic. Fine. We may well approach the same situation in a similar way. However while Satanism frees us from having to live by the rules society takes for granted, it does not forbid us to act out of pure sentiment if that serves our well-being at the time. We can think of many situations where we might decide to help a weaker underdog simply because the bird or the cat or whatever appeals to us in some way. We do not believe in altruism at all, there is always some sort of pay off for doing a “good deed” but that does not mean that kindness is foreign to the Satanist. It may be very calculated or it may happen on a whim but kindness is often a wise course of action for the Satanist as much as for anybody else. People discovering real Satanists for the first time are often surprised how kind we are. If you prefer to put it more coldly, the fact is it is often counter productive to be unkind.

As Satanists we consider ourselves part of nature and as the example given was rooted in the natural world we think it is worth extrapolating that point a bit more. We are animals. Indeed we are predatory animals. We do not run away from or gloss over that fact; we think it is a fundamental aspect of our true selves but something that many religions and philosophies shun and repress.

Our daughter has a pet spider. We sometimes feed it live food. Some people find that disgusting. Well you know mighty lions and tigers kill and eat the flesh of smaller “cuddly” animals. And the majority of humans eat the flesh of animals that are bred purely to feed us. The fact that most of us don’t kill the animals we eat ourselves does not negate the fact that those animals are indeed killed to sustain us. That succulent steak that we bought in the supermarket is flesh that was hacked off the bone of a recently living cow. We are predatory animals who eat the flesh of animals we kill. Hopefully in the twenty first century we do this as humanely as possible, but it is good to be reminded of our true nature. Are we villains? Are our prey victims? No it is all just nature and morality is just something subjective which is superimposed on top of that, often as a means of social control.

But of course some people are vegetarians and that includes some Satanists. Acknowledging where and what we are are, does not limit how we choose to adapt to the facts; it simply gives us a more realistic starting point for making lifestyle decisions. And the spectrum of emotions we feel is as much a part of our nature as our need to eat. To put it another way there are some animals Sophie and I would not eat because to do so would go against our emotional sensitivities. We might even act to stop some animals being killed for food. Yet if we were marooned on a desert island with just one cute animal for company or potentially food… It would probably be food. So are we heroes or villains?

The second example given in the Satanic Views article was about giving charity or defence to an autistic boy. That segment made us a bit uncomfortable because it could lead to the impression that Satanists must always be cold and, well, uncharitable. We don’t think that was the point intended but we would like to expand on that a bit. What we would say is that as Satanists we don’t feel “obliged” to be charitable on all occasions and we certainly don’t feel any sense of guilt about those we choose not to help. But that does not mean we are forbidden to help where we choose to. In our personal case we would have acted differently in regard to the autistic boy. We would have helped him.

We have a slightly different perspective on victimhood. We divide it into two types. We believe some people make themselves victims through ignorance or shear stupidity. We have no desire to help or associate with such people in any way and to put it harshly, we have no hesitation whatsoever in exploiting such people’s stupidity if we needed to. If a zebra walks into the path of a lion it pretty much deserves to get eaten! And as Satanists we will always regard ourselves as self sufficient top preditors and never as hapless victims.

However as sensitive and intelligent human beings we acknowledge some people are born into disadvantage through no fault of their own and that such people have the potential to contribute much to society if given a helping hand. Think for example of Professor Stephan Hawkin or the many that escape poverty to provide jobs and incomes for others. Moreover there are of course many Satanic parents who themselves have handicapped children and recognise the benefits of care and understanding in their wider communities.

In short while not obliged by any outside force or laid down scripture to be charitable, Satanists can and often do choose to be kind and charitable to those who are less fortunate than themselves. Importantly, every good deed and kind gesture that Satanists undertake is a matter of choice and not obligation.

Some will consider us evil just because we associate with Satan. Most of us have a relativistic view of morality. We are not afraid to walk in the dark but realistic twilight where good and evil are hard to pin down. But ultimately most of us are no less kind or caring than people of any other spiritual path.


10 Comments on “Victims, Heroes and the Satanic Mindset.”

  1. credencedawg says:

    well expressed – this reflects much of my own views on the matter. I am a Satanist, but I am also a very emotional person, and Satanism helps me to take responsibilty for myself and my states, and to not be concerned by the judgements (and especially the sense of moral obligation or demonization) from others. For me Satanism raises everything to the individual ground, but you rebuild according to your own sensibilites and values which you have established for yourself, but without the “consensus games” of collective moral obligation.

    It may not suit me to live without individuality or moral freedom, but it also does not suit me to live in a world without kindness and relationship, or consented mutuality.

    thank you for the post.

  2. hocuspocus13 says:

    Reblogged this on hocuspocus13 and commented:
    jinxx ♣ xoxo

  3. satanicviews says:

    Reblogged this on satanicviews and commented:
    An insightful alternative point of view to a recent Satanic Views article.

  4. Descentia says:

    I definitely help small animals in situations like that, and I don’t eat meat from commercial sources for the most part. My primary reason for that has always been animal welfare, simply because it suits me to feel like I’m not being part of the problem. I don’t believe altruism exists either, but it doesn’t stop me from appearing more “Christlike” in ethics & demeanor than the vast majority of the people I know. People only ever cross me once, though. 😉

  5. Descentia says:

    Reblogged this on descentia6 and commented:
    This is a good, very personal explanation of what Satanism really is: Intellectual & philosophical honesty weaved into personal morality.

  6. kasim says:

    I am willing and I want to join

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